Cover art for Decoder with Nilay Patel

Dr. Jill Lepore on why the AI backlash is vital for the future

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Published
July 20, 2026
Duration
59:35
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Last updated
Aug 19, 2026

Discusses ai.

Summary

Dr. Jill Lepore is one of the best writers there is at identifying institutional patterns in history, and Decoder is a show about systems and organization — so her new book, The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State, is a perfect fit for the show. You build systems by measuring things — gathering information, quantifying it as data, and taking action on i…

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Show notes

Dr. Jill Lepore is one of the best writers there is at identifying institutional patterns in history, and Decoder is a show about systems and organization — so her new book, The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State, is a perfect fit for the show. You build systems by measuring things — gathering information, quantifying it as data, and taking action on it. The book's big thesis is that this kind of systemic measurement is really a dehumanizing act, one that flattens humanity and human concerns

Themes

  • ai